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		<title>Comment on Revisiting KDE 4 by Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) 's status on Thursday, 19-Nov-09 00:58:30 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) 's status on Thursday, 19-Nov-09 00:58:30 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Revisiting KDE 4 by Links 18/11/2009: KDE 4.4 Gets Date, Google Phone is Coming &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 18/11/2009: KDE 4.4 Gets Date, Google Phone is Coming &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Revisiting KDE 4 I think I am falling in love with the KDE desktop again simply because it is the power-user’s desktop. There are so many controls and things to configure that I am sure many KDE 4 desktops do not look anything alike. The stability has improved greatly and so has the software. I would encourage anyone who is a KDE 4 skeptic to give it a shot; it may just change your perspective, just like it did mine. Good work KDE team, keep it up! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Revisiting KDE 4 I think I am falling in love with the KDE desktop again simply because it is the power-user’s desktop. There are so many controls and things to configure that I am sure many KDE 4 desktops do not look anything alike. The stability has improved greatly and so has the software. I would encourage anyone who is a KDE 4 skeptic to give it a shot; it may just change your perspective, just like it did mine. Good work KDE team, keep it up! [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Revisiting KDE 4 by Capnkirby &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revisiting KDE 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capnkirby &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revisiting KDE 4</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu Going Beyond a &#8216;Distribution&#8217; by kaos</title>
		<link>http://jonreagan.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/ubuntu-going-beyond-a-distribution/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>kaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that offering those “new services” is a best way to spread Ubuntu to the world (like Opera Browser does with it’s new features, even if its marketshare is not growing as fast as it should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that offering those “new services” is a best way to spread Ubuntu to the world (like Opera Browser does with it’s new features, even if its marketshare is not growing as fast as it should.</p>
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		<title>Comment on KDE 3 vs KDE 4:  It&#8217;s Finally Over by blackbelt_jones</title>
		<link>http://jonreagan.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/kde-3-vs-kde-4-its-finally-over/#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator>blackbelt_jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just used KDE4 (on Kubuntu Karmic) for the first time in about three weeks... and sweet jesus, I hate it so much!  After booting the live CD, how many clicks did it take for me to get to the point of zero clicks in KDE3?  Six?  Seven?  Twelve? Fifteen?

This is just my opinion.  I can be wrong, and often am.  And judging something as massive as KDE4 has to be more subjective than objective... but seriously, IMO, it really is the worst Desktop Environment ever.  Yeah, I know it&#039;s not really a crazy bloated piece of crap, but here&#039;s the thing... it behaves EXACTLY like a crazy bloated piece of crap on my computer.  What elevates KDE4 to such epic awfulness is the fact classic that such a classic Desktop as 3.5 is being destroyed.  Many will disagree, ands theior opinions will be at least as valid as mine, but had to say that, at least once.  

However, there&#039;s another side to it. KDE4 is the most important software R and D project ever.  I bet that more than one classic Desktop is going to emerge from the brilliant groundbreaking work that these brilliant groundbreaking people are doing.  It&#039;s going to be worth even this.  

KDE4 deserves our support, but it does not deserve to be KDE3&#039;s murderer.  However, if KDE3 dies, it will be it&#039;s fans who are most to blame.  Let me explain how the free software thing works, because so many of you don&#039;t seem to get it.  If you want to keep using KDE3, shut up and keep using KDE3-- if not all the time, as much as you can.  KDE3 will continue to be maintained if it keeps a userbase, but right now, no one believes that it will, because the distros are dropping it.  So stop complaining, and master your fate by remastering your favorite KDE3 live CD to start your own distro, or maybe try mine;

http://www.thekiarablog.blogspot.com

Don&#039;t worry about how you&#039;ll manage future updates, don&#039;t worry about whether it&#039;ll be any good. Just do it!  Don&#039;t expect the people who, God bless them, actually love KDE4 to be responsible for keeping KDE3 alive.   

Even if KDE3 is no longer supported, a live CD can keep older software secure.  (Fixing a compromised system is as easy as a reboot. Take it from me, you learn an awful lot... and now I don&#039;t complain about KDE4 anymore.  The important thing is that its no longer my problem, because I know that my distro isn&#039;t about to go over to KDE4 any time soon... or EVER.  And if I need the latest software, that&#039;s what my hard drive is for.

Anybody who wants help can reach me at my blog.  I&#039;ll do what I can.  Me no guru!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just used KDE4 (on Kubuntu Karmic) for the first time in about three weeks&#8230; and sweet jesus, I hate it so much!  After booting the live CD, how many clicks did it take for me to get to the point of zero clicks in KDE3?  Six?  Seven?  Twelve? Fifteen?</p>
<p>This is just my opinion.  I can be wrong, and often am.  And judging something as massive as KDE4 has to be more subjective than objective&#8230; but seriously, IMO, it really is the worst Desktop Environment ever.  Yeah, I know it&#8217;s not really a crazy bloated piece of crap, but here&#8217;s the thing&#8230; it behaves EXACTLY like a crazy bloated piece of crap on my computer.  What elevates KDE4 to such epic awfulness is the fact classic that such a classic Desktop as 3.5 is being destroyed.  Many will disagree, ands theior opinions will be at least as valid as mine, but had to say that, at least once.  </p>
<p>However, there&#8217;s another side to it. KDE4 is the most important software R and D project ever.  I bet that more than one classic Desktop is going to emerge from the brilliant groundbreaking work that these brilliant groundbreaking people are doing.  It&#8217;s going to be worth even this.  </p>
<p>KDE4 deserves our support, but it does not deserve to be KDE3&#8217;s murderer.  However, if KDE3 dies, it will be it&#8217;s fans who are most to blame.  Let me explain how the free software thing works, because so many of you don&#8217;t seem to get it.  If you want to keep using KDE3, shut up and keep using KDE3&#8211; if not all the time, as much as you can.  KDE3 will continue to be maintained if it keeps a userbase, but right now, no one believes that it will, because the distros are dropping it.  So stop complaining, and master your fate by remastering your favorite KDE3 live CD to start your own distro, or maybe try mine;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thekiarablog.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thekiarablog.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about how you&#8217;ll manage future updates, don&#8217;t worry about whether it&#8217;ll be any good. Just do it!  Don&#8217;t expect the people who, God bless them, actually love KDE4 to be responsible for keeping KDE3 alive.   </p>
<p>Even if KDE3 is no longer supported, a live CD can keep older software secure.  (Fixing a compromised system is as easy as a reboot. Take it from me, you learn an awful lot&#8230; and now I don&#8217;t complain about KDE4 anymore.  The important thing is that its no longer my problem, because I know that my distro isn&#8217;t about to go over to KDE4 any time soon&#8230; or EVER.  And if I need the latest software, that&#8217;s what my hard drive is for.</p>
<p>Anybody who wants help can reach me at my blog.  I&#8217;ll do what I can.  Me no guru!</p>
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		<title>Comment on KDE 3 vs KDE 4:  It&#8217;s Finally Over by blackbelt_jones</title>
		<link>http://jonreagan.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/kde-3-vs-kde-4-its-finally-over/#comment-1103</link>
		<dc:creator>blackbelt_jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;KDE4 is important because you won’t get any updates for KDE3. BTW, the new KDE 4.3.2 has fixed most of those flaw and gathered most of the things to be as complete as KDE 3.5.10. Plus the eye candy!&quot;

You think that I haven&#039;t tried KDE 4.3, don&#039;t you?  I love it when you guys just assume that I&#039;m talking about KDE4.0.  Actually, that&#039;s not true, I sort of hate it.

Yes, yes,  I know.  They&#039;ve come a long way.  KDE4.3 isn&#039;t bad.  In fact, I&#039;d call it the second best KDE I&#039;ve ever used.

Why would I want updates of KDE3?  To make it more like KDE4?  

I&#039;m fine with KDE3 not getting any more real development. It doesn&#039;t need it.  That&#039;s kind of the point. It&#039;s why we&#039;re here.   In a limited way, KDE3 is sort of perfect.  It can&#039;t really be improved, and so it seems natural and just for the developers to head out in a new direction. The KDE developers are too talented and ambitious to confine themselves to bugfixes and security updates, and that&#039;s all that KDE3 is going to need.  So this an excellent opportunity to start a big ambitious long term project.  This is important work.  I support KDE4, to the the extent that it&#039;s not being shoved down my throat.

  Who decided that the big ambitious longterm project would be the only choice?  From here, it looks like Novell and Canonical started the stampede, and then everybody else just lined up behind them.

I&#039;m not convinced that there won&#039;t be any maintanance on KDE3, (though I&#039;m preparing for that eventuality).  KDE still has a lot of users, and if KDE completely closes the door on KDE3 while there&#039;s a userbase... I promise you, that&#039;s going to be when the fork happens.  Only KDE can decide to fork KDE.  The KDE team is smarter than I am; no doubt they figured this out long before I did.

One thing that I have noticed is a vast discrepency between the online world and the real world I see in front of me.  In the real world, almost everybody I know hates KDE4.  It used to be everybody, but there&#039;s one guy in my lug who likes it now.  

Right now, maintainance is frozen, not because the users are abandoning KDE3, but because the distros are abandoning KDE3.  This makes sense, because for most distros, keeping two versions of KDE around is a pain in the ass. The only exception may be a couple of distros like Vector and Zenwalk, which are Slackware based, and use XFCE for the default desktop.  The logistics of offering their users a choice aren&#039;t all that daunting.

What we need are some user-generated distros.  The KDE4 &quot;public nonoption&quot; was decided for us by corporations and developers.  Users were not consulted.  There&#039;s nothing unjust about this.  &quot;Free as in Freedom&quot; means that everybody does what they like to do. Corporations like to scramble to get in on the next big thing, and developers like development.  Users can create their own live CD distros, and we ought to, because development is only going to accelerate. If we don&#039;t want to be forced to use whatever the developers shove at us, we need to create our own options.  With alkl these distros, there&#039;s room for one or two that is comitted to KDE3.      

People don&#039;t like change.  I&#039;m amazed at how many times I&#039;ve seen this observation employed condescendingly by those who then profess amazement at the manifest truth of that observation.  They demand a logical reason why I prefer KDE3, or else I&#039;m irrational and therefore wrong.  I have logical reasons, but they&#039;re really just rationalizations.  Here&#039;s the problem: I don&#039;t enjoy using KDE4.  I just don&#039;t.  It&#039;s so carefully planned out that I don&#039;t feel that computing with KDE4 is a creative act.  I have opportunities to be creative only where they have been provided for me.  I was fooled into thinking I liked it, but I was merely impressed by it.  Turned out that&#039;s not the same thing.  Once I stopped being impressed, it was all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;KDE4 is important because you won’t get any updates for KDE3. BTW, the new KDE 4.3.2 has fixed most of those flaw and gathered most of the things to be as complete as KDE 3.5.10. Plus the eye candy!&#8221;</p>
<p>You think that I haven&#8217;t tried KDE 4.3, don&#8217;t you?  I love it when you guys just assume that I&#8217;m talking about KDE4.0.  Actually, that&#8217;s not true, I sort of hate it.</p>
<p>Yes, yes,  I know.  They&#8217;ve come a long way.  KDE4.3 isn&#8217;t bad.  In fact, I&#8217;d call it the second best KDE I&#8217;ve ever used.</p>
<p>Why would I want updates of KDE3?  To make it more like KDE4?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m fine with KDE3 not getting any more real development. It doesn&#8217;t need it.  That&#8217;s kind of the point. It&#8217;s why we&#8217;re here.   In a limited way, KDE3 is sort of perfect.  It can&#8217;t really be improved, and so it seems natural and just for the developers to head out in a new direction. The KDE developers are too talented and ambitious to confine themselves to bugfixes and security updates, and that&#8217;s all that KDE3 is going to need.  So this an excellent opportunity to start a big ambitious long term project.  This is important work.  I support KDE4, to the the extent that it&#8217;s not being shoved down my throat.</p>
<p>  Who decided that the big ambitious longterm project would be the only choice?  From here, it looks like Novell and Canonical started the stampede, and then everybody else just lined up behind them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that there won&#8217;t be any maintanance on KDE3, (though I&#8217;m preparing for that eventuality).  KDE still has a lot of users, and if KDE completely closes the door on KDE3 while there&#8217;s a userbase&#8230; I promise you, that&#8217;s going to be when the fork happens.  Only KDE can decide to fork KDE.  The KDE team is smarter than I am; no doubt they figured this out long before I did.</p>
<p>One thing that I have noticed is a vast discrepency between the online world and the real world I see in front of me.  In the real world, almost everybody I know hates KDE4.  It used to be everybody, but there&#8217;s one guy in my lug who likes it now.  </p>
<p>Right now, maintainance is frozen, not because the users are abandoning KDE3, but because the distros are abandoning KDE3.  This makes sense, because for most distros, keeping two versions of KDE around is a pain in the ass. The only exception may be a couple of distros like Vector and Zenwalk, which are Slackware based, and use XFCE for the default desktop.  The logistics of offering their users a choice aren&#8217;t all that daunting.</p>
<p>What we need are some user-generated distros.  The KDE4 &#8220;public nonoption&#8221; was decided for us by corporations and developers.  Users were not consulted.  There&#8217;s nothing unjust about this.  &#8220;Free as in Freedom&#8221; means that everybody does what they like to do. Corporations like to scramble to get in on the next big thing, and developers like development.  Users can create their own live CD distros, and we ought to, because development is only going to accelerate. If we don&#8217;t want to be forced to use whatever the developers shove at us, we need to create our own options.  With alkl these distros, there&#8217;s room for one or two that is comitted to KDE3.      </p>
<p>People don&#8217;t like change.  I&#8217;m amazed at how many times I&#8217;ve seen this observation employed condescendingly by those who then profess amazement at the manifest truth of that observation.  They demand a logical reason why I prefer KDE3, or else I&#8217;m irrational and therefore wrong.  I have logical reasons, but they&#8217;re really just rationalizations.  Here&#8217;s the problem: I don&#8217;t enjoy using KDE4.  I just don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s so carefully planned out that I don&#8217;t feel that computing with KDE4 is a creative act.  I have opportunities to be creative only where they have been provided for me.  I was fooled into thinking I liked it, but I was merely impressed by it.  Turned out that&#8217;s not the same thing.  Once I stopped being impressed, it was all over.</p>
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		<title>Comment on KDE 3 vs KDE 4:  It&#8217;s Finally Over by N.N.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO quit for maintaining KDE 3 was (is) the biggest mistake.
I was, yes WAS, KDE user from time when KDE came out. How many years? How many years we were testing KDE3 and finally work very good, the developers stopped and find new testers for how long? What is different in KDE 4? Eye candy works but how about nepomuk, for example? Another year or more?
Thank you M$KDE4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO quit for maintaining KDE 3 was (is) the biggest mistake.<br />
I was, yes WAS, KDE user from time when KDE came out. How many years? How many years we were testing KDE3 and finally work very good, the developers stopped and find new testers for how long? What is different in KDE 4? Eye candy works but how about nepomuk, for example? Another year or more?<br />
Thank you M$KDE4.</p>
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		<title>Comment on KDE 3 vs KDE 4:  It&#8217;s Finally Over by manmath sahu</title>
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		<dc:creator>manmath sahu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KDE4 is important because you won&#039;t get any updates for KDE3. BTW, the new KDE 4.3.2 has fixed most of those flaw and gathered most of the things to be as complete as KDE 3.5.10. Plus the eye candy!

I am waiting for a Stable KDE 4.3 desktop from pclinuxos and mepis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KDE4 is important because you won&#8217;t get any updates for KDE3. BTW, the new KDE 4.3.2 has fixed most of those flaw and gathered most of the things to be as complete as KDE 3.5.10. Plus the eye candy!</p>
<p>I am waiting for a Stable KDE 4.3 desktop from pclinuxos and mepis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Important is KDE 4? by jospoortvliet</title>
		<link>http://jonreagan.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/how-important-is-kde-4/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>jospoortvliet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you say KDE development is slowing - the 4.0 release might have scared many users away, but development really has exploded since then. As you say, much of the work is experimental - we&#039;re trying to innovate here. Those experiments we started years ago, during the development of KDE 4.0, are starting to come together now. 4.3 is a desktop which has almost all the flexibility of KDE 3.5.x but avoids the downside in terms of usability nightmare, and begins to show what our new infrastructure is capable off.

4.4 and 4.5 will introduce a bit more polish on the base of 4.3, but largely the cool stuff will be in the new features which are taking advantage of our the new infrastructure we&#039;ve developed. Gnome is following us in this regard, btw, see for example tracker/zeitgeist (copying Nepomuk, luckily they cooperate) and the new desktop shell, an inflexible version of what Plasma could do.

And the innovation we&#039;ve done is noticed. OpenSuse&#039;s decision on the default choice for KDE and Nokia&#039;s dumping of GTK are just the beginning. Many formerly Gnome shops like Collabora are moving to Qt/KDE development now, and the KDE companies like BasysKom, KO GmbH and KDAB are flourishing like never before. Actually, if you&#039;re looking for a job and have some Qt skills... :D

So this blog would&#039;ve been the basis for an interesting discussion if it was posted in 2008. Now, it&#039;s just obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you say KDE development is slowing &#8211; the 4.0 release might have scared many users away, but development really has exploded since then. As you say, much of the work is experimental &#8211; we&#8217;re trying to innovate here. Those experiments we started years ago, during the development of KDE 4.0, are starting to come together now. 4.3 is a desktop which has almost all the flexibility of KDE 3.5.x but avoids the downside in terms of usability nightmare, and begins to show what our new infrastructure is capable off.</p>
<p>4.4 and 4.5 will introduce a bit more polish on the base of 4.3, but largely the cool stuff will be in the new features which are taking advantage of our the new infrastructure we&#8217;ve developed. Gnome is following us in this regard, btw, see for example tracker/zeitgeist (copying Nepomuk, luckily they cooperate) and the new desktop shell, an inflexible version of what Plasma could do.</p>
<p>And the innovation we&#8217;ve done is noticed. OpenSuse&#8217;s decision on the default choice for KDE and Nokia&#8217;s dumping of GTK are just the beginning. Many formerly Gnome shops like Collabora are moving to Qt/KDE development now, and the KDE companies like BasysKom, KO GmbH and KDAB are flourishing like never before. Actually, if you&#8217;re looking for a job and have some Qt skills&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So this blog would&#8217;ve been the basis for an interesting discussion if it was posted in 2008. Now, it&#8217;s just obsolete.</p>
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		<link>http://jonreagan.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/ubuntu-going-beyond-a-distribution/#comment-1089</link>
		<dc:creator>Links : Fedora 12 Beta and Linux Mint 7 KDE Reviewed &#124; TheUnical Technologies Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ubuntu Going Beyond a ‘Distribution’ Typically, distributions have software and features that are either the same or roughly equivalent to one another. Ubuntu’s departure from this model is an interesting development, especially with reference to Ubuntu One. Exactly how will the rest of the Linux community respond to Ubuntu providing features, that due to proprietary nature, cannot be used by the other distributions at all? It will certainly be interesting to watch how these new features affect the Linux market. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ubuntu Going Beyond a ‘Distribution’ Typically, distributions have software and features that are either the same or roughly equivalent to one another. Ubuntu’s departure from this model is an interesting development, especially with reference to Ubuntu One. Exactly how will the rest of the Linux community respond to Ubuntu providing features, that due to proprietary nature, cannot be used by the other distributions at all? It will certainly be interesting to watch how these new features affect the Linux market. [...]</p>
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